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06:54pm 14/05/2008
 
 
Oneiromancer666
The atheist's beliefs are imprisoned within the current scientific paradigm of materialism. The theist operates outside of the limited paradigm of materialism, but the theist's beliefs are polluted by prior unmet emotional need which he/she transforms into a deity. Quasitheism is a formalized acknowledgment that there is indeed something beyond material reality, but does not go so far as to declare that this immaterial reality is a sentient deity, while still admitting that it could be something that we would call a deity. There are simply too many hypotheses that cannot be selected for or against within our current understanding. Quasi- is a prefix which basically means "almost", and I felt that it was the best available prefix to encompass the range of unknowns in the search for "divinity". Quasitheism could arguably be classified as a permutation of agnosticism, but what distinguishes quasitheism is that it definitively states that there is something beyond material reality.
 
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 eternalmaiden
 
01:58am 15/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
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I like the label, as you define it.
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 oneiromancer666
 
01:10am 16/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
Feel free to use it if you feel it describes you. I observed that there was a category of people (including myself) whose beliefs were not adequately described by any of the common words that people use to describe their "religious" affiliation, so I specifically crafted the word quasitheism to encompass such people and to forge a new niche in the collective consciousness.
 
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 limits_pushed
 
10:01am 15/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
...but that smells like bullshit.

"it definitively states that there is something beyond material reality."

Well that's a given. If you're over the age of 20 there isn't a single atom in your body that was a part of it at your birth. Approximately every 20 years your body expires and replenishes about every particle of your being (this rate slows with age). When you're 45 you won't have the a single physical consistency to yourself at 20 years old. This is known fact. Yet we all still identify as the same person. Obviously there is a relationship that exists beyond physical matter. Your stance is neither new, religious nor philosophical.

Agnosticism, meaning literally a state of being without knowledge, is neither affirmative nor negative. It's not a statement of belief at all. Atheism, meaning a state of no deity/deities, makes no claims against something beyond the reality we experience. In fact, in my experience, atheists are the group most excited about discovering the things beyond our world and experiences. An atheists and skeptics are titles often interchanged and misunderstood. If you don't believe in a god but you still believe in "something" technically you're an atheist. You have no god. Literally we're agnostic; there's no way to know for sure.

You're making up words. Any atheist will tell you that there's the possibility there's a god or "something" out there.

"The atheist's beliefs are imprisoned within the current scientific paradigm of materialism"

Materialism isn't a scientific paradigm. An atheists beliefs aren't imprisoned, they're grounded. Beliefs that are not grounded and held on evidence to support them are called lunacy. Atheists have been around long before modern science was here to help us explain the world around us.

In a practical sense, atheists do not believe in the supernatural. Because once a phenomenon is discovered, it's analyzed, unravelled and suddenly we discover the answer is natural and not supernatural. Again though, science, skepticism and atheism are often used interchangeably when they shouldn't be.

You're just making up words. Next will be Post-Quasitheism. Weed and LJ don't mix.
 
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Quasitheism II
 oneiromancer666
 
02:35am 16/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
I can respect well thought-out objections to statements that I make; indeed, the mental stimulation of confronting objections can spur me to refine or discard my ideas where appropriate, but I will not tolerate a disrespectful tone like the one that you used above. You will need to be mindful of your tone if you wish to comment in my journal. If you feel you can maintain a respectful tone, then feel free to voice your objections to my ideas.

Yes, I created the word quasitheism, which should have been readily apparent by a phrase such as "I felt that it was the best available prefix". Our language currently lacks a word to definitively describe a certain category of beliefs, so I created the word quasitheism to fill that gap. Simply put, when asked for my religious affiliation I was not satisfied with any of the options (such as atheist, agnostic, or pagan) for various reasons.

You said, "Obviously there is a relationship that exists beyond physical matter." Quasitheism does not posit a mere "relationship" beyond physical matter; instead, it posits an entire layer of reality that has not yet been described by scientists. Understand that quasitheism holds it as plausible that within this uncharted layer there could dwell an entity that we would call God, which means that a quasitheist is not an atheist, by definition. You make the generalization that "Any atheist will tell you that there's the possibility there's a god or 'something' out there", yet I have known many atheists who emphatically declare that all gods and remotely "godlike" entities are completely fictional.

Agnosticism is, as you say, "a state of being without knowledge [about God]". Though there have been differing versions of agnosticism throughout history, the modern agnostic by labeling himself/herself as such makes a declaration that he/she remains purposefully indecisive regarding whether or not God exists. By contrast, a quasitheist is a person who knows (often through personal experience) that there is something [which could be called God] beyond the material reality that science describes; by taking such a stance the quasitheist is not an agnostic either, by definition.

If you were to listen to a quasitheist speak about certain experiences, you would label them as a theist. The simple fact is that quasitheism is closer to theism than it is to atheism, which is actually reflected in the word itself.

The word quasitheism sounds like extraneous bullshit to you because, quite simply, you are not a quasitheist. Your belief set does not reside in an awkward ideological space with no name of its own; your belief set does not need to be distinguished as separate from other belief systems that are confusingly similar yet incompatible. Would-be quasitheists will recognize the utility of the word to describe their personal ideological space.
 
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 slave_leilia
 
02:55am 08/10/2008 (UTC)
 
 
leilia
Very eloquently put.

By contrast, a quasitheist is a person who knows (often through personal experience)

I would be interested to hear some of your experiences sometime, if you'd be willing to share. I've had strange things happen in my life, though instead of "paranormal" events, most people would call my experiences "coincidence." These strange things, when they happen to me, are long chains of events...and what makes them special to me is how they feel. I can feel an energy, a force, outside of myself....ah....not so much directing events as presenting things to me, in a specific order, for a specific purpose. It always feels amazing. The way things come together, the explosive growth I experience, it's so perfect and so beautiful it nearly brings me to tears sometimes.

And it's very interesting that I should be talking about this to you now. You remind me of someone who was involved in my first perceived experience like this. Who, coincedentally, has also just popped back into my life after a long absence.

Does that mean anything? Who knows. Usually I can tell when an event like this is happening, but I can only see the complexity and what exactly is involved in it after the fact. BUT...I have been trying to define my spirituality for ages, I like what you have to say here, I'd like to talk more sometime.
 
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 oneiromancer666
 
01:06am 09/10/2008 (UTC)
 
 
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Materialism
 oneiromancer666
 
03:13am 16/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
The dominant paradigm in the scientific community today is referred to as [Newtonian-Cartesian] materialism (by those who study such paradigms). If you have not studied the very notion of paradigms, then you would not understand the limits of operating within any given paradigm. I may criticize the limits of the modern scientific paradigm, but let there be no mistake that I am eminently awed by the efficacy of the scientific method. No other school of truth-seekers has achieved as bountiful and celeritous of a success in uncovering the mysteries of the universe as the scientists.
 
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 fallennon
 
06:32pm 18/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Jessika Eden
it is so nice to read something intelligent for a change. i'm glad we added each other. in a weird mood, don't ask.
 
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 oneiromancer666
 
02:50am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
I was concerned that you would find my initial comment about theists to be distasteful, so it is a relief to hear that you appreciate the amount of thought that went into what I wrote.
 
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 oneiromancer666
 
03:15am 20/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
In order to answer questions regarding my religious affiliation with total honesty, I needed to create a new word, at least for myself. Since I perceived that there were other individuals with similar belief systems who did not have an exact word with which to describe them, I opted to conveniently craft a word that would include them as well.

Have you had an experience [or experiences] that strongly demonstrated to you that a materialist paradigm is too limited to describe our reality? Most of these types of experiences are referred to as "paranormal" by those who classify such things.
 
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 oneiromancer666
 
11:38pm 26/05/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
Considering that language most accurately describes common human experiences, it follows that there will be uncommon experiences for which there are literally no words yet with which to accurately describe such experiences.
 
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 forkinme
 
03:58pm 21/06/2008 (UTC)
 
 
I'm not "religious"; I don't believe in divinity. But I am spiritual.
 
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 oneiromancer666
 
01:28am 24/06/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
Your descriptions of your experiences very much evidence your spirituality. I'm sure that there are Buddhists who would be envious of your ability to revel in the simple beauty of a moment. I very much believe in the notion of "secular spirituality". Indeed, people who think that spirituality must come from a deity are the ones who have no idea what spirituality really is.
 
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 untiltwilight67
 
03:59am 06/10/2008 (UTC)
 
 
I am spiritual, but would have trouble explaining my spiritual beliefs to you. It involves a life force and the energy form that force which flows through everything... even stones.
 
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 oneiromancer666
 
05:53am 06/10/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Oneiromancer666
You would not have as much trouble explaining your beliefs to me as you seem to think. A life energy which permeates all things is not an unfamilar notion to me.
 
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